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Business as Usual: Toyz Electronics

Preparing our children for the future of work and a sustainable livelihood is highly dependent on a robust STEAM education.

We welcome Damola Idowu, CEO of Toyz Electronics, to talk about his company's unique platform to bring STEAM (science, technology, engineering, arts and math) education to students everywhere.

Toyz Electronics, a Carnegie Mellon University startup, is an Ed-Tech company with an e-commerce and virtual learning platform that empowers students to learn a wide range of skills by making and selling their own Toyz.

Damola will detail how Toyz train trainers to empower students with a wide range of skills using literacy, numeracy, entrepreneurship, leadership and content creation in a culturally responsive way.




Good afternoon, everyone. This is Audrey Russo, President and CEO of the Pittsburgh Technology Council. And we are thrilled at today's business as usual I, I got to tell you, we have Jonathan kersting. With us each and every day is vice president of all things media and marketing. And I got to tell you, Jonathan, every day it gets better. This is a great one of the people we talk to, and today is definitely no exception. But before I introduce our special guests, which are Carnegie Mellon's spin out startup, let me just tell you a couple of things, thanks to Huntington bank for their work with us over these nine month period and their support of all things. And if we move into another PPP loan process, I'm sure that the work of Huntington bank will be very active in supporting our business community. So we're pretty excited in terms of maybe some reprieve that's being given to those people who need it during these last nine months. So also 40 by 8040 by eight is a wholly owned subsidiary, which is the longitude and latitude of Pittsburgh. And we focus on workforce development, entrepreneurship, and all things making sure that Southwestern Pennsylvania is an amazing place for people to build their lives. So we've muted your mics, and we've only muted your mics because we don't want to hear the background. I'm telling you gonna want to sit tight, because we do have a great show coming up here. And don't enter this chat. Jonathan's gonna monitor that. And the chat is not to be used to sell your wares. This is our time to only focus on our guest today. So I am going to jump in right now. And this is a father son duo that I've got to tell you is very, very inspiring. And they're gonna tell their story, actually, we're gonna we're gonna start we're going to introduce the Damola Idowu, and he's the CEO of toys electronics, and I mentioned earlier, a CMU startup, and his son, Wole, he's Chief Technology Officer, but you got to sit tight, because you got to really hear about their backgrounds because they are really going to knock your socks off. So welcome to the program. Both of you. Thank you for joining, glad that you're both safe and sound. And we before we talk about toys electronics, let's find out about each of you. So let's start with Damola Idowu, thank you so much for being here. And tell us a little bit about who you are. You have a really interesting background. And


let's start with that. Well,

I wanted to kind of start off to what got me into STEM in the first place. Mm hmm. So and why we're using content creation to inspire the next generation to be makers. So in what was it 1982? Right. So I'm Wole's father, so I could go back that far. So I was a young kid watching nightrider. Right. And it's like a self driving car kit with an AI, right. And I was like, I want to be an engineer. I didn't want to be Michael Knight. I wanted to be the person making kit. And I'm like, I want to be an engineer making kit with this AI that would make this card is bulletproof. So my name of my company was going to be Alomad, which was my name spelled backwards. Well, I would get a paper route, being entrepreneurial. And with my first check, I got, I went to Kmart and bought a nightrider model kit with the super glue, and made my own kit. And this is like a 12 year old, right? So I advance and I was so enamored by engineering at 15, I was already taking classes at Syracuse University. Right at 14, I went to a project, Michigan technology Institute's summer program. And I was already in the summer program similar to what we have at Carnegie Mellon, the Sam's program, and I was at the circus version of that at 15. graduated high school at 16. studying mechanical engineering with a dual major in economics. And I would transfer to Sarah Q. I mean, Howard, when an engineering design competition at 17. But then I was caught up in the mid 90s. We had the Oklahoma City bombing there was so many things going on the Million Man March. So that spurred me what I call superhero route. So if you could imagine if Iron Man was to rap if you know, Tony Stark's was a rapper, what would he talk about? So superhero rap is idealism, which is like your vision of the world of science fiction creates your superpowers. And your villain is the obstacle that you tackle. Right? So your villain, so that's like teaching growth intelligence. So I created a character you see in the background, a great deity die. And I'll rap about measurements on demodulator. And signs turns to flatlines wave functions. Like imagine a rapper rapping about that in the 90s, right? Well, that content would reach 30 countries across six continents. And that would spur me creative superhero rap. And I'll bring a young Wole, I became a father at 20. So Wole, I created a started a family at 20. So have Wole in the studio with me, while we grabbing these life science books, and create an innovative raps, right? And I'm grabbing like street rappers and they're like, okay, so end of the day, I'm sipping rum, or alcohol, iodine, and, you know, integrating STEM concepts in hip hop culture, and having it reach all over the world. So what was interesting to me, though, was, how do we market this? And I'm like, there was no way there was no knowledge base to doing that. So I was like, Well, what if there was a magazine that would kind of give the best principles of hip hop and entrepreneurship? So in 2001 2002, I launched owners illustrated magazine, I've been a member of the DC Chamber of Commerce saying, Generation X, hip hop is gonna be this multi billion dollar thing. And they're looking at me and I'm talking to people at them Bell Atlantic, and this was like, web 1.0. And they're like, is this snake oil salesman? What is he talking about? You're popping a multi billion in tech and Napster. And so anyway. And then this is when XM was launching. So anyway, and then

I was having Wole learn Mandarin and h4. And the family's like, why are you having them go to world public charter school learning? Mandarin? And I'm like, No, he needs to be exposed globally. So it's very interesting, being a divergent person, seeing the connections of entertainment, technology, engineer in AI, and then being able to infuse that in your child and then having him graduate also at 15. And come

reel back a little bit, Damola Idowu, what was your source of inspiration or sources? Can you you know, sort of think about how you were able to harness this passion?

Well, for me, hip hop culture was a huge source of influence. So I remember listening to rock Kim and a song er called Follow the Leader, where he was like, far as the eyes could go, not even a satellite, and I'm like, wow, follow the leader. And that was like an 88, rock Killa Satan to do to do that. And I remember the video, and I'm just thinking about that. So you're thinking nightrider, then you're thinking rock him. And I'm like science. And I'm thinking like, all these concepts, he would just literally do it and then carry this one. So I'm like, Huh, engineering and I'm like hip hop, then I'm thinking of how can technology impact society? How is technology a facilitator rather than a Dominator? So that technology is infused into making things people want to do efficient? So the first idea I wanted to do, why it's owners why you see the shield was, what if we had a small business exchange for all these, I remember looking at research that the US Treasury Department had on small businesses and retail, and I was like, these business.

Okay, hang on. He just keeps us lost for one second. Is he back? I don't know what happened. But let's,

I think I brought him back in. Yeah, he brought them back in. So yeah, okay.

So I don't know what happened. But what if we could create a small business exchange and that and so part of that was getting that knowledge, right, this entrepreneurial knowledge that will be applicable to people Like I've seen, whether it's on pin AV, or in different, you know, or McKeesport, or or Williamsburg, or different regions around here, where they're independent retailers, who could benefit from technology support. So that was why I created owners and I was going to create a company and then doing web 1.0 and seeing money being thrown away like candy. We never got in that ecosystem. But we got into uprise. And so it's always been bringing this platform to those who are disadvantaged, and making it democratized. How do you democratize access to technology was like my biggest inspiration.

So you graduated high school at 16,

my son beat me by a year, he graduated at 50.

Here you are 20 years old, teaching your young child, everything that you thought that he needed to know. And to really catapult so let's bring let's bring Wole up. Hi, how are you? And let's just introduce you. So nice to hear me. Yeah, I can hear you. So nice to see you. Thank you for joining. So what what's your take on your dad's story? And how do you fit into all this? And what are you up to now?

I guess I fit in as his son, but um, no, he he kind of hit the nail on the head. A lot of it the upbringing from me going to a world Public Charter School. That definitely had a huge impact to me to this day to always give me a worldview of things. So for me, my name is Wole Ito. And CMU alum, Carnegie Mellon graduated electrical and computer engineering with my minors in business, and their iba program entrepreneurship for creative industries and Business Administration. So for me, I actually also kind of had a similar mindset to my dad. So I kind of got into art from a young age. So I've always been a visual artist. I'm also a visual learner. So you know, I have a huge imagination, right? And it was an interesting transition. Because you know, my dad, like I said, the great DD dots a comic, right. And not just a superhero, or just the music, it's also the art. And it's interesting for me as I transitioned onto tech, because I was interested in one of his publications, toys magazine, among other things, then I was like, Well, why can't I design my own technology? Right? Because I saw there's a connection between art and technology, right? There is a with design, you know, you could design different things, you could be creative, building your own products. So from there, I transitioned, and this was around the time I was 13 years old, where I started to design my own technology. And I was like, well, this could do this. And that, you know, and I looked at problems just that I dealt with, personally, you know, a 13 year old kid is like, Man, what if we had something that could do all this right? Or? And then on top of that, you know, I wear glasses, right? So I was like, Well, what if you know, I could have something that's hands free, right? You know, I hate looking at a little screen, right? So I came up with the idea of smart glasses at the time. And I was like, well, and then I was like, Well, why can't they be sustainable? And because I had a worldview of things. I was like, Well, why can't this be sustainable for other countries and other people who might be going through similar situations? Right? which is how I came up with the idea that pitch at the teal fellowship, my dad, we really All right, well, why don't you apply? We found out about this program, 20 or 20. I was 15 years old at the time graduating high school. I decided to advance early because I was like, Yeah, I think I'm ready. Right. I'm ready to go into the next stage. I have all these big ideas for next gen technology, and still is next gen technology right now. Why do I go in and say let's do this. So I pitched my idea to you I made as a teal fellow finalists will and in my office, and I was actually featured on their documentary as one of the youngest kids by several years. I think the next thing is person was 17, turning 18. And I was still 15 years old. So pitching this idea to Peter teal, and all these Silicon Valley investors is a 15 year old kid getting on stage, being presented on CNBC without fear in my heart, just saying, look, this is why idea we're gonna build a sustainable technology, these smart glasses could change the world and change the lives of billions of people. So I've always had that ambitious energy and that kind of comes from my father, who's always happy to leave, you know, you could do whatever you want. Right? So for us, we decided it was between the two of them. Carnegie Mellon. For me, I went with Carnegie Mellon, you know, so I could get better at my understanding of engineering, right? Going to a top school. And for me, I started to learn a lot more even what we've built now for our startup, a lot of the experiences that I've dealt with.

And I've always had a unique background from where I grew up, whether it was urban and Ward a to Washington, DC, whether its role in West Virginia, and then able to take that to now in college, where people were all different backgrounds and different experiences, right? And able to understand also the struggles that students have people that look like me, a lot of us struggle, because it was like, this is a whole new field, not a lot of us have gotten these courses, a college prep, not all of us kind of fit into this box of understanding. So it's kind of a hard transition, right? Which kind of made us transition because it was like, I had those personal struggles myself, and I was like, what, what's wrong? Like? Is it just me or is it just something's not fixing, and then working with my dad, it was more so like, you got to go through an alternative approach, you know, it's not one size fits all. It's kind of a diversified, you know, everyone's kind of unique, has their own different thought process, you kind of have to bring that in, which allowed us to build both toys, electronics, and working on hardware and working with students, bringing students from different campuses, not just Carnegie months, the school, my dad using his his resources as both a musical artists having stuff in the music industry, a spring game, major tech corporations to talk to students, and building a multi interdisciplinary to do hosting multi interdisciplinary events on campus, right. Where we saw that connection that I saw when I was 13. Art and Technology aren't separate. They're actually one of the same steam, which is now called steam, you know, science, technology, engineering, art, mathematics. So from that transition, that got us to where we're doing our toys, electronics, getting into education, and seeing where these issues start from the beginning, because it's like, not one size fits all. But when you give people the opportunity to say one that they can do these things, right, like I was given, and then when you're able to show that, you know, there's many different approaches to get to where you want to, and giving them that vision it makes, it causes incredible results that we have seen over the years. Whether it's the students that we brought to campus way back in 2015, that are now way more advanced that even my dad and I right? It's funny when you talk to like, because we use when we build toys electronics, on campus in 2014. When I was a junior, we brought one of the first things we did was we worked with kids, and showing them how they could build their own hardware, how they could build their own technology. And it's funny now that from 2014, to today, some of those same kids are even more advanced than where I was at their age. And they're already on their own thing and building their own stuff. Right. So it's a interesting transition. I kind of went like that, talk about that. But that's a little bit about my background, where I came from and how I even got to where we are.

Well, that's awesome. And thank you so much for your candor and on all the issues. So what is it like going to Carnegie Mellon and being that young, though? I mean, because the diversity piece is also a Yes,

yeah. Yeah. So it was it was very tough. I cannot lie. I don't regret it. But I don't. It's one of those things that I don't regret. I definitely want. Like, if I could do it again, I would do it again. But I think it is tough for people. And I don't think it's for everyone. Not that I don't say you should. The reason why is because it's hard because a lot of people, one, there's already the diversity issue. And then on top of that age, so a lot of people, it's like, well, you're a kid, so what am I doing? Right? Like, so there's kind of a disconnect, right? Because it's like, oh, well, he's just a kid who is you know, right. So it kind of became more difficult for me and I'm an early years but fortunate enough, like, I did have resources and people who did support me and I'm like, No, no, no, no, we see who you are. You see your potential, we're gonna work with you. And that allowed me to grow. Even my dad because he, he actually did have to come to campus a lot, especially when I was younger, because again, I literally was not of age until my junior year. So that was interesting. talking to my professors, making sure Hey, look, here's his young kid who's bright and can do the work. Make sure you know you're there for him. And of course for me being there with my friends. is working hard with them. Some professors, you know, he they've actually brought their own young kids to campus, right to go to school young. So one professor in particular knew it. And my dad knows the professor talk about physics. Great professor, my favorite professor. So this day, yep, yep, good. All goes,


still my favorite professor does the nicest person ever because he was like, well, I brought two kids who were your age to campus to graduate, so I know what you're going through. And that actually helped, right? And having that resource of someone who, who knew less and decades also studied electrical Computer Engineering. So it was like it he knew what it was.

So how that was how you actually gave birth to this, this some company while you were in school?

Yep. It was after 2014 was when I got establish efficiently. Yes. Okay.

How about the both of you really just talk about the company? What you're doing today, what you're up to? How maybe we could get engaged in the company.

Yeah. So I love how he segwayed and gave that lead. So what I, in creating the company, on when we went through the field, there was a question of this young team. How is he going to be able to facilitate reaching this hardware? Because there was several components that he was trying to tackle? Right. So sustainability, right, let's just deal with that. And battery and sustainability. So I looked at it and I'm like, okay, we want to use a solenoid. There was some research in Michigan University of Michigan, we want to use organic solar cells. So dye sensitized solar cells, right? We want to be able to use projection technology. So we looking at Texas Instruments looking at professors on campus, they were doing projection research, right? We need a module, right? So we're like, does our map something we actually talked to people at arm, we're looking at what's in Asia. So he actually I connected him with somebody in Boston, and media tech, which is a Chinese semiconductor companies live immediate tech, we reached out to Intel, eventually, he will become an Intel hacker harassment Ambassador on campus. And we'll do a hackathon, which led to what we're doing in Toy steam. But before I get that, I want to go through the process of how we will validate and engineering.

So we're looking at all these elements and looking at Okay, what Professor Well, he needs to know 118. He needs to know 112, which is object oriented programming, right? So he's doing Cosby and Cosby is doing a great job with CS Academy. Right? And you're talking about diversity of age. So I'm sending a kid to Carnegie Mellon when he should be in high school. But one thing that also made me comfortable was there was another 15 year old who was in CES at Carnegie Mellon, at the same time, when we talked to a lot of these elite colleges, because we've talked to Fitzsimmons at Harvard, for example, for that pattern, and they were like, Kenny, wait. And I'm like, Kenny, wait, we're in rural America? Do you understand the broadband challenges of educating the kid in West Virginia. And I'm like, is AP physics teacher was teaching in three high schools, he needs resources to be able to validate what he's thinking in his mind. He's ready. Now, if your university doesn't want to well, Carnegie Mellon won some. So that's where we'll go. And looking at all of this, so I had a partner who's also an AI team, who'd been going back and forth to China. And he was actually like, well, you need to come out here. And I'm like, What do you mean, he was like their factory, this is where everything gets made. You need to come out here. So CES was doing Asia in 2015. I was like, Okay, I'll go check it out. It blew my mind. I'm in Shanghai, a city with 30 million people. I go to Shenzhen, I'm on the train with a million people simultaneously. And I'm like the only black guy but I always have a worldview. So I've raised my son in inner city DC, raised him in Appalachian West Virginia, introduced him to a worldview. So I'm comfortable dropping anywhere on the planet, like Jay Z says, drop me anywhere on God's green earth, I'll triple my work. So as an entrepreneur, a fixture of figuring out okay, well, how do we get all these things? What is the platform, you need an ecosystem, you need app developers to be able to make this wearable device have mass adoption, right? So I'm like, it's not about what you're validating. And as an engineer, oh, we have this cool tech, use it. Well, who's going to see use cases for it and be able to develop the apps so you need to build a community. So I'm like, Well, why don't we do a smartwatch first? Right that would allow us to get the personal computer module made. And then we could do glasses because we saw Google is doing the Google Glass. I'm like, this is so cumbersome. 15 $100 that's too expensive. Snapchat wanted to do some weird explored being able to do like Bluetooth 4.0 looking at arm, there was so many people Nordic module and looking at their sensor and seeing can we integrate Nordics module? Anyway, not to get too deep in engineering, don't frickin sure there are a number of technical people here looking out for validating. And then how are you going to be able to use an image sensor with a Bluetooth capable module? And we're looking like arm and I'm like, Okay, well, how how powerful would the computer need to be? How are you going to handle the physics? And then where are we getting the resources to do all these things? A home basically became a makerspace. That's getting in a toys makers, right? So I'm like, okay, we have our own lab. We have our looking at it now. And I'm like, here's a fire extinguisher hose. here's here's our soldering iron. Here's all these areas Wiley's bench, in our home, mother's like, what the heck is going on here. But anyway, you know, on campus, I run into at a MIT edtech conference, I run into drew Davidson, who's advisor. Yeah. And he's like, I'm at the entertainment Technology Center. And I'm like, Well, my son goes to CMU. He's 16. He's What? Yeah, he's 16. He needs to meet you. So that will get wildly in the ideate. And ideate had some going on the hunt library where there was a makerspace. Right? So we're bringing in kids from the DC area to the etc. to do their play test days. Some of these kids now are doing calculus two in high school. Right. So now they're getting a chance. They're athletes, they're ended potential engineers. So while it's like, okay, we have the smartwatch, we built a prototype, working with a bunch of different solutions. I don't speak good Mandarin, like niao just yet. So I'm trying to bond with them using tech using WhatsApp using WeChat. And it was just, I feel like your aura opens you up to people. I'm like, Well, how did you art get around to 30 countries without you going there? people able to feel your aura. So I was like, I just brought my aura. And people welcomed me to their homes. They always want to feed me before they even take me to the factory. So it wasn't about business. It was like, No, here's my son. Here's my husband. Here's my daughter if and I'm like wow, so much warm. Anyway, we used Android. So I'm reaching out to Android T. I go to CES I've been gone for 14 years. I've been involved in the auto industry interview in C suites executives and auto industry since 2004. So I'm reaching out there and I'm like, well, this would actually help you. Well, now with Argo, AI and Aurora, local. A lot of what I was seeing about imaging is what they're actually using. But I was early, right like doing eSports working with Epic Games in 2008, bringing students to igda Marvel Comics to give out prizes and nav people from Epic talk to the students about how they could start a tech career. All of this was new. So while I did was the support, I had to give Wiley talking to his physics professors. I'm like, diverse students that come to schools, like CMU needs support,

additional project based learning outside of the normal curriculum to engage them. So I'll talk to the professors and say, Well, what do you need from Wole? Right? I'd go to academic advisement and say, Okay, well, while he needs this ta he needs all these elements. I didn't know that what we were really going to do was going to be the training, train the trainer and education. But it came out of the struggles on building an ecosystem with new hardware. I'm like this is extremely difficult. So we opened it up to any discipline. The first event was during my birthday in 2015. And we were like any student, any major could come and build a game, build an app, do whatever. We had such a diverse participation while they started a student org on campus called toys, nation gaming league. And we had about 30 students or So Tom Coburn was there and he also was a special advisor and work with EA and combined. And then while he also was an EA employee, too, so he had a chance to work on a special project in VR. So we brought that experience to students on campus. We had a we had a behavioral science major, Carolyn, who was planted in a sorority that weekend. And during a pledge weekend, she wanted to spend time with us at our hackathon. And she brought her sorority sisters with her. And I'm like, you guys are on to something here. She's not a CS major doesn't have background, but she's developing a cool game for Android smartwatch. And I'm like, this is awesome. you're onto something. So we started thinking, toys, the magazine, that's the content, you've interviewed all these great engineers, designers, whether it's video games, because toys was cars, gadgets, video games, and we interviewed all these executives there, take that content, you utilize an app for the students, you're bringing in. We did an event with Intel hacker harassment, I'm going to do a special project with the music department at Carnegie Mellon, The Chronicles of electromagnetic field General, which is what you see in the background, I'm going to create a 3d model of it. And you can see that on our website, toys, steam, comm toys, electronics calm, right? We're teaching them to make 3d models have their own characters, we teach them to do storytelling. Anybody could be a toys maker. So what we've done is actually tell you through our story of our struggles and challenges of making a tech product, and how we're able to synthesize that into an experience for students. And then realizing that you bringing in students four year old to 13 year olds, to entertainment Technology Center, how do you build curriculum for younger students to inspire them. So now you're now looking at a wavelength of four year olds to 22 year olds, you're bringing in students from Pitt, you're bringing in students from George Mason, Maryland, US allies, and what you're done with Epic Games where you bring in people from the game and people from industry. So we had EA speak to students, we had the future interfaces group who worked on campus on developing ways to do wearables and gaming. We're bringing in Cleveland Clinic, we're bringing in Def Jam records. We're bringing in the Google Android Wear team. We're bringing in Autodesk fusion 360. All in an event. We're bringing it into music department, we bring in 40 students playing different instruments, and we teach and classically trained musicians to do hip hop, jazz fusion, and this project will wind up going around the world. And on our website, you could see it, I take the vinyl and present it to the brand director at techniques, techniques is critical. Hip Hop started off the technology Kool Herc used to technique turntables to DJ a party in the Bronx.

So you

needed to vinyl records, two turntables to keep the groove. So I talked to her about what we're doing. And I'll put the link here to in the chat, where you can see the intro to toy steam, on course, and also the music technology course, where I'm actually presenting and talking about what we're doing in Pittsburgh. So this became our choice. steam is basically our program our virtual learning platform, with an e commerce component to it where people could create. They learn in coding, they learn in design, they learn in creative writing, they learn in soft skills, they learn in a wide range of skills, and they learn in entrepreneurship. So the lessons I learned from covering people like 50 cent, little Wayne, Jay Z, and how did created billions of dollars in value, chronicling after 18 years of synthesizing a culturally relevant way. I've given lectures at the Schwartz center. So taking those lectures, breaking it down into class modules, and then take in what Wiley has learned, I will goal is prepare kids to be able to take 112 if they could do what Cosby teaches and be best prepared for what Cosby teaches. Well, they can be successful anyway. So we've actually done work with over 2000 students, and we were top 10 out of 200 companies for price

demoed. We we are I mean I gotta tell you, I'm blown away. I'm blown away by your passion. People say you're a force of nature. Wole, you are, you know, a lucky man to have him as a father, you're both blessed to have one another if people want to get connected to you, because we're running out of time, so people want to get connected to you stay connected to you, what's the best way to do that?

I'm going to put in our about us, which has our LinkedIn, I just put something on our extra impact. We have our solution on next fan pack, which is a cool way to check out all the different components of what we're doing. Here's the About Us choice, steam Comm. And then in the chat, there's also toys, electronics, and you can see a lot of what we're doing. So you can reach us on LinkedIn. And then I'll put my email on here. Because we've also looked at diversity, utilize, and I enter the choice team and work with Dr. Victoria Mattingly, and Natalie solutions on building a diversity through storytelling product. So not only do we see that our approach was working. We're like, well, this could actually help people build superhero teams. In their companies, so de Mola toys

Thank you. Yeah,

I have that in there.

So our time has come to an end. And I know that we could have talked to you for another hour. I am very inspired by the both of you. And everyone's writing comments in here. So don't this isn't going to be the end of us staying connected to you?

Not at all.

We are really we are really well. First of all, we really appreciate the continued ties to Pittsburgh, right? That's the second piece here. And it's people like the both of you that are going to help build US tour tomorrow. And you're putting us on the map. So will he stay thank you so much for being with us. Thank you, everyone, for joining us today. Stay connected to these two, we're gonna stay connected. We have programs for kids, and we want to figure out some ways that we can partner

to be able to collaborate and do a pilot today. I think so many ways. I think that should be a we would love to be able to do that, especially for 2021. That would be an excellent thing to do.

Thank you. So thank you, tamala. Thank you. Well, a thank you for being so candid. And so charged up. I am pumped up just by listening to this conversation here. And we are going to wrap the week up tomorrow. What are we doing tomorrow, Jonathan?

No haven stopping by so we're kind of continuing this whole angle of getting people to make stuff and innovate and create. What I love about crypto Haven is that they're trying to bring this to everybody. They even have a rated scale to join based on your income so everybody can have access to powerful creation tools.

Thanks, everyone. Stay safe. We'll see you tomorrow and stay connected to these two amazing men. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you, everyone.

Appreciate it. Thank you.

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