Interview by Jonathan Kersting
What do Nikola Tesla, Marlin Mickle and the University of Pittsburgh have in common? The power to change everything. And Pittsburgh-based Powercast is making it happen.
Jonathan Kersting from the Pittsburgh Technology Council's TechVibe sits down with Charlie Goetz of Powercast, a Pittsburgh-based company turning radio frequency into wire-free power for sensors, devices, and the intelligent edge.
Born from technology licensed at the University of Pittsburgh and developed by the legendary professor Marlin Mickle, Powercast has spent over two decades perfecting RF wireless power — the same vision Nikola Tesla imagined more than a century ago. Now, as AI pushes compute to the edge, the demand for always-on, battery-free sensors is exploding, and Powercast finds itself at the center of it.
In this episode, we cover:
If your business runs sensors, monitors equipment, or is betting on physical AI, this episode explains why Pittsburgh might hold the key to keeping the edge powered — without a single wire.
The Pittsburgh Technology Council produces TechVibe to explore Pittsburgh's technology and innovation ecosystem.
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[00:00:00] And your devices will interrogate an environment, and it will determine what the best source of RF- Oh ... to drink off of will be. Really? Wow. There'll be inductive in your countertop. There'll be mag res on all of the wall- Yeah ... RF everywhere. So it'll just, just switch sight unseen. And if you think about it right now, we spend a lot of time plugging things in.
Yes. We spend a lot of time switching batteries out
It's Jonathan Kersting here with the Pittsburgh Technology Council, bringing you Tech Vibe, where we explore all the great, fun, cool stuff happening in Pittsburgh's technology and innovation ecosystem.
I like to say we give you a front row seat, and sometimes I get to have way too much fun talking to my guests about sometimes the history of their company, the amazing technologies that they are bringing to the table, and today I couldn't be more excited about my guest right now.
We have Charlie Goetz from Powercast hanging out with me, and when you learn more about what Powercast is up to today, your mind's gonna be a little bit blown because- I don't think there's any lack of [00:01:00] sensors in the world. I think there's sensors going up everywhere for everything, and they need to be powered, and they're at a distance from power sources.
And Powercast has a way of making sure these things get their power, and they do it in a pretty mind-numbingly cool way. So welcome to the show today, Charlie. I cannot wait to dig in on all things Powercast. And I'm a huge fan. I've been to your booth many times at CES. You always have crowds of people that are kind of being wowed with what your technology does.
What you have been showing at CES is really just scratching the surface as to the real value of what Powercast is bringing in this day and age. So thanks for being here. Oh, thanks for having me, Jonathan. Yeah. It's sort of exciting to be here. We were talking, you know, when I first walked in, and there's a lot of intersections to our stories in the back so I think- Yeah
it should be fun. That's what makes Pittsburgh so much fun because I always run into people and we start talking and we're always like, "Who do you know?" And I'm like, "Wait a second. Your company was founded on technology that came out of Pitt with like... It had something to do with one Marlin Mickle, this like really intensely smart professor there."
[00:02:00] And it's like, "Yeah." I'm like, "Oh my goodness. Tell us about that." Yeah. I mean, it's actually the technology... Well, it's sort of, it's stacked on three people I would say. Okay. Sure. So obviously, you know, Mr. Tesla 100 and some years ago- Yeah ... was talking about this type of technology. The idea that you can pull energy out of the air and harness it and feed it into something, right?
He was right. Yeah. It's just the hardware was clunky. And there were sort of, you know, challenges at the time. But physics don't change. Exactly. And so over the years, a lot of very smart people , have experimented with his underlying observations and theories.
And interestingly enough, the University of Pittsburgh had sort of a legendary professor there, Marlin Mickle, who you mentioned earlier. Yes. And so it was like wow, that's a commonality. He passed a number of years ago unfortunately. Everyone who was in the space knew him.
Interestingly enough, one of our founders was looking at various IP at different universities. University of Pittsburgh had some very interesting- RF-based wireless power technology hearkening back to the Tesla days. Mickle was working on that. [00:03:00] Yeah. And we ended up licensing some of that, that IP- Amazing
originally- Ah ... to found the company. And we tracked down the name of the PhD student who did much of the work. Okay. And he's our CTO to this day- Oh my goodness ... Dr. Charlie Green. He called up like we have a job for you." Yeah, pretty much. That was it, yeah. He must've been pretty thrilled to be like, "Oh my goodness, this is something that I was working on and now you're turning this into a company."
He's very good at his poker face, but I know- Okay ... he's thrilled where it counts. I hope he is. Right in his heart. No, he is. But I, see, that's what happens in Pittsburgh, man. Yep. I'm sorry. That's why I get such a charge out of telling these types of stories, 'cause it just goes to show you.
It is, it's sort of a magical town in that regard- Exactly ... I, I will say. And what I find amazing about Powercast is you've been around for 23 years plugging away at this, but you're now reaching this new point when it comes to the intelligent edge infrastructure, which is really where things are going now.
And before we jump into that, we're gonna talk just a little bit about what Powercast does. But now I just feel like you guys are on this trajectory to just start taking [00:04:00] this whole way of powering, , devices, and sensors and everything else to this whole other new way that is really gonna drive what the future's about.
To your point, if we back up a little bit and talk- Yeah ... a little bit about what does this technology do- Exactly, yeah. Set the table- ... and then we'll sort of- ... for me here about how it works- so there, there there's a number of different wireless power platforms out there. Okay. A lot of people are f- familiar with like Qi charging, and that's a pad that you put your phone on- Yep ... as it were, and there's a coil in there. You line them up.
Yeah. And that has some benefits and some restrictions. Benefit is it's a fair amount of power that comes through but it has to be aligned sort of closely. It's a one-to-one technology, but works really well. , There's also magnetic resonance where you could create this sort of magnetic field- that sort of think of like desktop. Yeah. You might have 100 watts total aggregate on it. You could do laptops and mice- Yeah ... and keyboards. So they're sitting on there. They then pick it up and charge themselves. Yep. Yeah. And by the way, we traffic in, in, in all RF wireless power. Excellent. But our core competency is on the RF side which is radio [00:05:00] frequency.
Yep. So the advantage is there and it's sort of the cool factor. Yeah. And that's why, you know, like if you come to CES or you a- i- people who are first exposed to this technology, there is the wow factor. So essentially you have a source of RF, , and we break that into three buckets. There's intentional, there's anticipated, and there's ambient.
Ambient. That's just the stuff that's around because we exist. Cor- And the earth exists. Yeah ... I mean, the, the, the sun gives off RF. There's RF signal from WDV down the street- ... and everything in between. Okay. So there's RF that's just floating around. Intentional is where we actually put in a transmitter.
So we could actually put in a transmitter in this room, be up in the corner- Okay ... and it's going to create RF in this room. So that's kinda plugged into the wall- Yeah ... and that takes the power and then turns into RF and sends it out so you can harvest that RF. Correct. Okay. And then you can have multiple nodes out there- or receivers- Yeah ... who then grab that RF and convert it into usable DC power. Gotcha. And what you do [00:06:00] with that DC power, we're agnostic to. Okay. We view ourselves as sort of a- Sure, yeah ... an RF platform. If you wanna drive a sensor, if you've got a low-power GPU, you want to illuminate an LED, any function is, that can use DC will run on RF.
I see. So we're not restricted in the application. Gotcha. Okay. Now the advantages of RF is it's one to many. So one transmitter can do dozens of endpoints. Okay. Just like a just like a radio tower. Exactly, yeah. Where you pull your car up next to mine- ... we both get that station. Both getting that signal.
Gotcha. Yeah, we're not cannibalizing each other. Gotcha. Okay. So that's very interesting. Now, it's lower power levels. The, there's a thing called the Friis equation. Dr. Mickels and Dr. Green and Mr. Tessa would be much better at running that equation than I would be. But your power drops with the distance which is totally fine.
Yeah. And what's interesting about that is some people go, "Well, that's inefficient use of power." I would say, "Yeah I ... you could argue that. You're losing a lot of your power over that distance." But where it sort of flips over is if I've got 10 [00:07:00] sensors in a room that are making that room operate much more efficiently by occupancy, by lighting- Right, yeah
by thing I get 100 times- Yeah ... X energy savings- Yeah. That's not even- ... by just turning the AC off two minutes earlier. Yeah. They that, that's not part of the equation anymore as far as like why would you install this? Well, we actually- Yeah ... like it in the equation 'cause we can from, fr- from a bigger picture.
I see. And I think people are more and more open to the bigger picture. Okay. It's holistically, well, what's happening? What do I ... What is valuable to me? And we have a unique technology where not only can you sort of deliver more value in what you're pulling out- ... of an environment, but you actually lower your total cost of ownership over time.
Very cool. Yeah. Okay. And- This is like, man, this is why I love seeing how like you build this business value into this technology. Yeah. And so, , like where I said, with the RF, because you have this one to many you have the ability to bring function to many different points and without wires.
Wires are expensive to run, once they're [00:08:00] set, they are what they are. They're inside of a wall. Yeah. You don't have a lot of flexibility. If something breaks, then it's hard to get to them. You're stuck. It creates probably places where maybe you couldn't put something because you can't physically get a wire there.
Right. So yeah. If it's a moving part and you can't run a wire to it. Exactly. All of these things. Right. Or batteries. And by the way, batteries are a very good solution. You know, we're not anti-battery. We trickle charge batteries. We interact with batteries. Okay. We're sometimes side by side- Sure
with batteries. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. We don't ... We sort of view them as, as- Okay ... in some ways a competitor, in some ways part of our ecosystem. Yeah, just part of the whole solution that- Sure, sure ... maybe a warehouse would need in order to power all the different things that are in there, so.
Correct. And I think when you think of wireless power- People need to think, 'cause they, oftentimes we're like, "Well, what's gonna win? Is it gonna be inductive wins? Does RF win?" "Do batteries win? Do wire- This sounds like- "Do solar win?" ... the AC/DC wars of a hundred and something years ago. Right. E- ex- exactly. But r- yeah, ra- rather than that sort of fratricidal- Yeah
type thing that happened there. Just promise me you won't try to kill an elephant with RF. We will not. Okay. We w- Yeah. Well, yeah, [00:09:00] you've done your research. Oh, I know my stuff. Yeah. There you go. But I think at the end of the day society's gonna win. The consumer's gonna win. I love hearing that. Yeah.
Business is gonna win. Ah, love it. Because what will happen is in the future kids will say, "Oh, you gotta be kidding me. There were like a hole in the wall that you plug something into?" Exactly. That's so funny. Wireless power will be ubiquitous. It'll be everywhere, and your devices will interrogate an environment, and it will determine what the best source of RF- Oh
to drink off of will be. Really? Wow. There'll be inductive in your countertops. Right. There'll be MagRes on all of the walls. It's kinda... Yeah. And there'll be RF everywhere. So it'll just just switch sight unseen. And if you think about it right now, we spend a lot of time plugging things in. Yes. We spend a lot of time switching batteries out. And a lot of times losing charging wires. Yeah. So we're always trying to take care of our stuff. Exactly. Wireless power is gonna evolve businesses, societies, smart cities, everything. Interesting. We won't have to take care of our stuff. Our stuff will take care of us.
What's [00:10:00] interesting is as you describe this world, isn't this the world that Tesla was thinking of and that you want to prove in some ways? Yeah. Yeah I mean, he, absolutely. He was- Oh, my goodness ... he was a century ahead of his time. Exactly. But all of the things he envisioned he was right. The rest of the world- I-
had to catch up- Yeah ... from a hardware and a software perspective. Maybe I'm overstating this, but I'm just gonna say it 'cause I think this is true and this is my show. Honestly, I feel like you're fulfilling Tesla's dream here because you're able to bring that hardware and that software to place to actually take his ideas and make it something actionable and that's safe.
I mean, I love you saying that. My mother would believe it- Okay ... and my CTO would be very entertained by it. Okay. Exactly. I know, like I said I'm probably r- way overgeneralizing it, but I just feel like this is- But- ... like we're actually seeing the benefits of this that we can actually use now and actually see a return on investment, especially if you're a manufacturer or a facility where you need to have all these different devices being powered.
Like I mentioned when I started this, my goodness, the amount [00:11:00] of sensors that we just have in our own homes now. Some of those, like you gotta change the batteries. Yeah. , Ah. Or if people get them hardwired into their walls, like, no. But the idea that my goodness, we can take a source of power that's in the air- And feed it to a device so it stays turned on.
Yeah. Yeah. And that's sort of where we're going. Now, we've been able to do that for years. But the value prop around that was more of, "Oh, isn't that clever? Isn't that interesting?" It's the party trick we were talking about beforehand. It's like, like, "Oh, that's neat you can do that," for this one little thing.
Like, no, this is doing something that's actually solving a real problem, not just like- turning an LED, set of LEDs on or making a fan, little fan spin. But the idea that this is actually gonna be on equipment that's monitoring something that needs to be on 24/7 to make sure that machine's running properly, and it can tell you if it's not because it's turned on and never going down.
Exactly. Yeah. And so what's interesting is our technology has not dramatically changed, and as you said we've been around for 23 years. Exactly, right. And [00:12:00] so, and we've had sort of these specialized applications- Yeah ... whereby we've baked our technology into various devices.
But it was really about is it a differentiator in a unique way- ... or did it add to the sustainability? Gotcha. And so there were a number of applications where, yeah, you could make that argument, but you were mostly selling into an R&D division. You were mos- ... mostly making that argument at the engineering level, at the procurement level.
Okay. And so now it becomes complex, it becomes long. Yeah. And as it should be, The engineers, they're all from Missouri. They're fr- all from the Show Me State. You know, show me. So there's a lot of rigor that's b- that's brought- Yeah, it has to be
to the equation- No ... before it's baked in. 100%. Where we've seen a dramatic shift here in the last couple of years, and, we're sort of talking about Powercast Edge and I think it's important to point out that the Edge, when we talk about it, it's not so much that we've redesigned something to do something differently.
We're [00:13:00] using our core product, our core capability, our core IP as it's always existed- Okay ... to address how the market has changed. And the one thing- interesting. Yeah ... that you're talking about everywhere and anywhere is AI. I think I've heard a few times Right. And the interesting thing is it's one of those things it's the elephant in the room.
There's 37 elephants in the room, and a lot of people would define it different ways. Absolutely. You know, and so while some people just think of it as accelerated internet it makes my emails sound better, and there's all these different things. But the- Where's the ROI where a business can say- Where's the ROI
"I'm making money on this," right? Yeah, and we- exactly. Yeah. There's a $2 trillion- Well- ... spend wave for CapEx rolling at you ... ex- exactly, and that's where I get nervous because I feel like when there's $2 trillion and no one's seeing money, I see a bubble getting bigger and nothing coming out of it to help make money so it can burst.
Right, right. And I don't want to see bubbles burst. And so it's it's very interesting- Yeah ... in that you have these, [00:14:00] this capability that's legitimate. Exactly. It's- ... you can be skeptical if you like. No. But- This is proven. Yeah ... it's, there's some impressive things being done at the model level- that, that cannot be ignored. And I think the C-suite and the director suite, they've recognized this and are making real- I don't wanna say demands, but they're asking real questions at the managerial level saying, "What are we doing- ... to make this work better?" Yeah. And what about our business?
And where we come into that ecosystem now is in the past, because you didn't have AI you'd maybe have a cute dashboard that you'd say, "Okay, we gotta report every three hours from this machine or in this room, and that's our report and here we go." But they weren't really taking actions off of that.
They're monitoring a condition. You can see it. Correct. But you can't make, you can't make decisions- Correct ... based upon it necessarily. We're aware of it. We're aware. We're aware of it. We can show it to you. Exactly. Here's the graph on the wall. And those things they... There's merit there. Of course. But- that's like it's [00:15:00] that first step to getting into where we are now.
Sure. Yeah. Sure. But what's interesting now is if you say to an AI model, "If I can tell you everything that's going on in a manufacturing facility- ... I can interrogate that environment and tell you what bespoke pieces came through that door." Yeah. "I can tell you when the door opened. I can tell you the temp- temperature differential- when it opened. I can tell you how long it was open. I can tell you if there was a change in condition, whether it's moisture, heat, something else vibratory on your machine, and I'm counting your output. And I'm doing it every two seconds- ... so it's dynamic." Oh my goodness. "And if there's a tweak you need to make, it can actually happen on the fly, and use that same powering protocol to be an advisory protocol with communications."
Oh. And you say, "How could your model use that?" And people go, "Oh." Wow. Wow. I mean, talk about changing the game right there. I mean, that is- Changing the game ... literally like putting [00:16:00] some meat on the bone of this thing. Correct. And then let me throw a couple caveats- Keep it going ... on top. Absolutely, man.
'Cause this is, this is- Put some cheese on top of this. Yeah. And this is where you go, "Whoa." And it's like, and w- this wasn't invented last week. We've been doing this for 20 years. That's what I love about this. Yeah. This isn't something like, "Hey, we have this idea." It's like, no, you've been perfecting this technology- Right
for decades now. You're, you're- Yeah. ... like, you say, like, "I want that." You're like what's your address? We'll send it to you." Exactly. We got it. So you have that ability, but by the way, you have that ability with batteries. But if you... How do you get a battery to last seven or eight years on a sensor?
Exactly. You just slow it down till you get a report every 15 minutes. Which isn't as effective when you're- An AI brain says, "I want more." It's like your fingertips. If you touch a stove, you need to know that very second. You don't need to know 15 minutes later. Exactly. Right. Now you're going to the hospital.
So it's a different thing. You think of it as AI's the brain, and everything in physical AI, the edge- ... that is the nervous system. Yeah, it's like my fingertips feeling the stove- What you see, what you smell- ... smelling something in the air ... what you touch- [00:17:00] Yeah ... all of those things. Oh my goodness.
Sure. So we bring that capability where we call it data density. So you can use our RF, and you can configure the environment. Right. Of course. So the way it works on the physics, without getting, like, too- Yeah ... too geeked out here if I wanted more reads out of this room, I would put maybe two transmitters in here.
Intentional, we talked about before. Exactly. Right. And then it's expandable and scalable, so I could put down 10, 20, 30 different sensors. And traditionally you'd say, "Well, you know, I only need one temperature sensor." Well, do you? If you wanna run this room really well- You wanna know where it is everywhere, right?
Everywhere. Not just one spot where it's taking it. Correct, because up there at that ceiling point and down there at the, at, at the floor point- Yeah ... those are gonna be different temperatures, and there's different things going on. And that part of the room, because there's a door, is gonna be affected differently than this side of the door.
Yeah. And if you can start to understand a room, you can now make that room safer, more efficient, turn off the lights, [00:18:00] adjust your AC, all of those things. Now here's the big problem. Okay, now I want 50 sensors in here. That sounds wonderful. That's 50 batteries, man. That's 50 batteries. Exactly. Exactly. Even if they last five or six years- Years, it's-
you're only getting small amounts at five or six years. But I say, well, I have two transmitters in here, and we actually, we have the, the data to prove it. And- I'll send it to you later, but- Exactly ... we could, w- we'd... In that environment, in this room, we would probably be pulling data every few seconds.
And we also have the capabilities, when you detect an anomaly you can instruct that vis-a-vis software to say, "I want you to increase your reads, and I wanna read every half a second." Yeah. Okay. And so you use your sentry- it can adjust on the fly based upon what it's seeing. Correct. You use your sensors as sentries.
Oh, man. And if they hear or detect something, they go into rapid fire mode. And then that would deplete a battery. Your battery would be tapioca. Oh, that would be totally done, man. With our technology- You're going to Home Depot, buying another bucket full of batteries. Correct. Yeah, exactly. And ours is, wait a few minutes- There's infinite-
it'll charge back up ... there's infinite [00:19:00] power. It just keeps going. It just keeps pulling it from the air. Just keeps pulling it. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. That is such an amazing example of how your technology works on the edge. And I can see why this is where Powercast is moving, because this is where the world is moving.
The last time I checked, there's not gonna be less AI. There's not gonna be less opportunities to sense things, to measure things. And to now know that we can do that without worrying about the power and allow you to do more of it, it's just opening up some new doors that's gonna finally bring what was once kind of this cool party trick into something that is very actionable for business.
Like, just something like... It's gonna become like you have to have this as a business, or you're gonna get left in the dust by your competitors, I think. Yeah. We would ac- Yeah. We sort of view it from the perspective If your competitor has better, more timely information than you have, how long can that continue without it becoming existentially- Yeah
problematic? Absolutely. And if you have the capability of [00:20:00] knowing more and doing more at the edge. And when we say doing more, we use... that, that's an example- ... of of data density. But you can have... It's function at the edge as well. You know, you can have something now perform there.
You can now use that as a switch, turn this on, do this, slow down the machine. You can integrate it as part of the infrastructure. So, and I think in very short order, and when I say very short order, probably under five years- Yeah ... you will see the power requirements of GPUs be such that they are not going to be operating at the data center.
Yeah. I mean, the big models will exist there. Will be, but there'd be so much compute that will be on the edge now because of this- Very much so ... which just opens up these whole things, which... Th- this reminds me of when I was at CES last year, and we always visit the PowerCast booth when we go to CES 'cause it's great seeing you guys there.
We were at Lenovo's kinda like their big demo at the Sphere. Yep. And they had Jensen Huang speaking there, and all he talked about [00:21:00] was basically AI at the edge, physical AI, and the idea that this is what's gonna power that, right? And I think about all the equipment that goes, like the, the specialty, like, chips and things that are gonna be needed for all this to happen, and I'm just feeling like, man, this is a whole new world opening up for us.
Yeah. And we were talking like be- before you turned on the recording material- Yeah ... that it's interesting. For the last 25 years since sort of the advent of the internet it's software has reigned supreme. And by the way, software's what's making AI sort of dance. So, Yeah ... you know, software, you know, you talk about the SaaSpocalypse and, you know- Surely.
Yeah ... all about AI. Absolutely. Yeah. So yeah. It's staying around. Soft- yeah. We- Soft- software's safe. Exactly. Software's very safe. Yeah, it's very safe. However, hardware was for years considered sort of the boring commodity. It's like, yeah, definitely. Yeah. Your pile of bricks, just put it together.
Just make another server. Correct. Yeah. And we're just gonna make the software make it dance. What's interesting is [00:22:00] AI is very much a balanced technology. You need hardware- ... to really bring its promise to life. Yeah. And now in, in business terms, that's an ROI. But, you know, in municipal terms, it's a safer city, it's a more efficient city, it's a cleaner city.
It's more sensors, yeah. In your home, it's safer. It's more economical to run. It can do all kinds of functionality. Yeah. So it improves outcomes. And in business, that outcome is ROI. In your home, it's safety and comfort. In a city, it's efficiency and safety. There's all different ways to look at it- Exactly
but it's going to be much more harmonious and much more balanced between hardware and software. 'Cause b- bespoke smart hardware is going to make a huge difference. I mean, if you think about- It's gonna be the differentiator. Oh, the, well the heartbeat- Yeah ... of AI- Right ... are the chips You know it's, you know, without the chip to support the software it's so- Software, it doesn't, it just doesn't [00:23:00] happen.
Yeah. And I just- So we're seeing that swing back to- Right ... we've been in the unsexy hardware product business, but as this is sort of coming around to, again, what we've been doing for a long time we have many transmitters for, that, that are FCC approved- Yep ... and ready to go. That's what I love.
Exactly. We've got multiple different chips. Yeah. So all these things are like, "Wow, that's an overnight thing you did." Yeah. You're like, "Yeah, overnight took about a decade or two." Took about a decade, two. Yeah. Oh my g- that's why this is such an amazing story. This is why I'm like, oh my goodness. The idea that we're just sitting here just talking about the technology you've been developing for decades is now reaching this new turning point in utility and in really powering the way our world is heading.
With all the AI, with the chips that drive AI, and how this stuff is all being moved out to the edge. It needs to get power from somewhere, and you guys can pull it out of air via RF, all from technology that came from the University of Pittsburgh, which I think is just amazing. And the, it's just a perfect Pittsburgh tech story.
You're solving some really [00:24:00] tough problems that are facing the world from stuff happening here in Pittsburgh with a great team of folks based here in Pittsburgh. My goodness, man. Yeah, we're excited about it. Super cool, man. We're excited about it. And it's funny we have folks from all over. I mean- we've got people from all around the world who work with us. Absolutely, yeah. We have a disproportionate amount of Pitt graduates. Very cool. And we got a handful of Penn State graduates. There you go. Absolutely. And our office is one of the few places where they get along. All right.
Finally. Yeah, there's a, there's a- There's a common ground here ... the rivalry that we can drive. You, from a business perspective, you drive and say, you know, the Penn State team seems to be lapping you guys this week. Absolutely. Interesting. And suddenly the Pitt guys are working a little harder that week. And our talk about Marlin Nickell, you got a little, I got a little sentimental on that one. I think I'm gonna dig up that issue of TEK. I'll take a picture of it. You have to. And I'm gonna send it to you because- Could you send it to me? I will do that. 'Cause I would love to, I would love to...
charlie Green, who's our CTO- Yeah ... w- at a very close relationship. Absolutely. No, it, I, it was, they were deep friends- That's awesome ... all by the end, so he would lo- he would love to see [00:25:00] that article. Once again, another cool Pittsburgh angle. Charlie, can't thank you enough- Thanks for having me
for hanging out with me today- I'm excited about it ... in the Huntington Bank Studios. This is why we have these conversations, putting a spotlight on some of the amazing work companies like Powercast- Yeah ... is doing here in Pittsburgh. So hey, if you want more content like this, keep on coming back 'cause we got it.
We've got too much of it. Dare I say, we never have too much of it. Once again, Jonathan Kirsten with the Pittsburgh Technology Council, and of course Tech Five, and I cannot wait to see you on the next one, everybody.